You guys getting all bothered about what Metallica are using for amps on this tour need to get a fucking life. It’s silly to get all upset about it.Are you seriously telling people, passionately talking about rigs on a place called rig talk to get a lifeYep. Discussing it is cool, but getting pissed about it to the point that it seems like you’re taking it personally is fucking stupid. Nobody in that audience gives a crap or can tell the difference.I guess I missed the part where anyone was pissed and/or taking it personally. Not to mention they bought a total of 76 Meyer monitors at $4,000 - $5000 each to run the AxeFx rig thru.it's not a cost cutting move at all to go 100% digital for them.Funny how this was ignored by the people calling them or their techs lazy and blaming it on cost-cutting. It wasn't an overnight process for them to switch over the the Axe-FX's, it was a few months of working with Fractal to get what they wanted out of them. They probably tried multiple versions of setting the systems up and spent more than enough time and cash doing so, when they could have just taken the gear they already own (or are given) out.My girlfriend and best friend caught them at the Foxboro show on this tour and from where they were sitting, the sound was so washed out they could have been playing Metal Zone's into Gorilla amps for all anyone knew.
James Hetfield does more than just provide the band Metallica with growling vocals - he is also the bands rythym guitarist. Let's checkout his gear. Let's see what guitar gear and equipment Metallica's James Hetfield's has been seen using in his guitar rig.
When I caught them at the Garden on the Death Magnetic tour, I was REALLY looking forward to hearing James' live sound and then when the show started, I was just having a blast and not even really giving a shit about the guitar tones. The energy and volume of the crowd mixed with the volume and energy of the band was so much more than the guitar tones.And as for using them in the studio.this seems like a no-brainer to me.' Hey, I want to use a Mesa kind of sound for this part, like a MkIII, let me go grab an Axe-FX and spend half the session dialing in the sound instead of walking 5 feet across the room and grabbing the MkIII sitting there.' They've got every amp they'll ever need at their HQ. They spent months getting their AxeFX's right for live use.As for the switching gaps, there is a slight delay with some presets when switching amps and effects, from what I've read. (I don't own an Axe-FX nor have ever even played through one). Just like making every other aspect of the show go off without a hitch, using 2 separate units is just another way of achieving that.
I give respect to Kirk for bringing his 1959 Les Paul Standard previously owned by Peter Green and Gary Moore on the road with Metallica (purchase price was reportedly $2,000,000). I don't think they are too worried about replacing a Boogie C. Bottom line: if you dig their sound now more power to ya. Doesn't do jack shit for me! Hasn't for a long fucking time!
ADA sucks a bag of dicks as well.Nothing personal, just sayin.BTW Thanks Viper! 'I know that i'm not alone cause you hear it too, don't ya?!' What would Cliff Burton do? RIP My guess is, he'd be wearin bell bottoms and a Misfits t shirt with a jean jacket with long hair wavin his middle finger at all the flavor of the month atrocities he's seeing!Kicking a Dead Horse here! 'Fuck it all and fucking no regrets!' RIPMy guess is Cliff would have changed with time and age just like Kirk, James and Lars have. Of course it is dead horse beating since we will never know.
Just remember Cliff was the least 'metal' of them all. He loved melodic, bluesy, classical, etc. Music way more. He would have probably been into changing and experimenting music wise even more than Metallica has over the years.The 'Fuck it all and fucking no regrets' is funny.
I've actually been listening to St. Anger here lately and liking it. So all guitars are AxeFX and power is Matrix.I can see that. I'm sure the Deizels/Mesas/Fortins all sound killer, but James's tech made a great point about consistency and reliability in a big production. I don't think a single person in the audience would know the difference between a Digital/Solid State rig versus a tube rig in huge venues like that.
A few guys like us might think we can tell and maybe could. Digital rigs and SS have come a long way in the last decade. But if I were touring the world on that kind of stage, I'd do the same thing and leave my tube amps at home/studio.I can see that too but what about you and your performance? As in it should sound good to you too so you play your best, inspired by awesome tone. Not saying it can't be achieved this way, maybe have both?
Aside from the digital/tube preamp/amp debate.axefx rigs are just fuggin' boring.LOL.yeah they're not as cool looking as old Marshall/Mesa heads & cabs with tubes glowing. I'm not gonna argue with thatThis vid is current footage of their AxeFx tone that the whole stadium gets to hear night after night.you certainly can't tell me that's not good enough, plus with all the other added benefits/convenience/reliability that an all digital rig at the level of the Fractal stuff brings to the table.99% of all folks couldn't tell this tone from any tube rig.& the 1% that thinks it can, doesn't matter to anyone for all intents & purposesThat was a cool vid. Nice to see different perspectives. So now that the guitar tone thing is just a child of the right presentation can we argue about Lars using snare drum replacement/supplementation live!! Not knocking his performance on this go round but damn, that snare. As much dynamics as the horizon of a salt flatsIt's been great to hear James's voice sound good for a few years now.Whatever the effect of the tone, then or now, I personally just wish I saw some remnant of THIS in the band that they are today,I know bands evolve, change, adapt, etc.
But, personally, this is the shit that made me fell like I could run right the fuck through a brick wall. Sadly, this doesn't feel, sound or look anything like what I saw this year at the Rose Bowl. Again, no hate. They are great. What they are, how they sound, today just doesn't do it for me anymore.All just my opinion.You're right stanbog!
The fact is that I must've imagined all of this along with legions of other rabid metal heads! Everyone at Woodstock seeing Jimi Hendrix found a way to enjoy the concert even though all his pedals were not true bypass. All the thrash bands I've seen using this gear are awesome live I saw Testament last year killer show and they Used Kempers. If I were Metallica I'd be using those I think they feel better when used live imho. HoweverI had a great time in New Jersey seeing Metallica and I will see them on the in door shows as well.I'm glad you had a great time seeing Metallica man!
They are still my favorite band of all time! They made it on their own terms and nobody can ever take that away from them!!! I guess at the end of the day we all just give a shit about the band!
Tone is obviously a very subjective thing and we all have our opinions. I mean I think it's cool Hetfield uses live cabs to get into the music I don't think this is the death of guitar tone it's just the future.
I'm a purest at heart but if my band had become a national touring act with as many hits as they have I'd be using Kempers or fractals.Just curious, if you were a national touring act, why would you use Kempers or Fractals (as opposed to real, non simulated tube amps)?We went on a small 'tour' and if my band played the garbage rock we played on a national or world tour I think the a solid state worry free dependable rig would be a benefit. The bass player was always too loud he had a monster rig. I had a dual rectifier and mesa cab. The other 2 guttar players had a marshall full stack and a line 6 spider ii half stack.
If we were all on Kempers our stage volume could have been kept down and the audience would have had a better time. I mean I think it's cool Hetfield uses live cabs to get into the music I don't think this is the death of guitar tone it's just the future. I'm a purest at heart but if my band had become a national touring act with as many hits as they have I'd be using Kempers or fractals.Just curious, if you were a national touring act, why would you use Kempers or Fractals (as opposed to real, non simulated tube amps)?We went on a small 'tour' and if my band played the garbage rock we played on a national or world tour I think the a solid state worry free dependable rig would be a benefit. The bass player was always too loud he had a monster rig. I had a dual rectifier and mesa cab. The other 2 guttar players had a marshall full stack and a line 6 spider ii half stack.
If we were all on Kempers our stage volume could have been kept down and the audience would have had a better time.Just because it would be digital doesn't mean your volume issues on stage are automatically over. Especially if playing smaller venues with little, to no P.A. Metallica's guitar tones are being sent to at least 4 places:1) IEMs2) Wedges3) On-stage guitar cabs4) FOHThe tones have to work and sound great consistently in all of them. I think the IEMs are a big reason they've gone with the Fractals.
I'm guessing it's just easier for them to get a great direct-to-ear guitar tone.Totally agree, as an analog, tube amp guy myself, Fractals make for boring rig rundowns. Might be a little less so if they'd show or discuss some of the parameters of the patches they're using, but I doubt that'll happen any time soon.or ever.Digital modelers are a tool, a means to an end. Not against them at all. I don't care how the tones are generated as long as the end result sounds great for the player, the FOH tech and most importantly the audience. Victim5150's AX8 Ozzy tones are killer and a perfect example of what I'm talking about and what they can do in the right hands. I mean I think it's cool Hetfield uses live cabs to get into the music I don't think this is the death of guitar tone it's just the future.
I'm a purest at heart but if my band had become a national touring act with as many hits as they have I'd be using Kempers or fractals.Just curious, if you were a national touring act, why would you use Kempers or Fractals (as opposed to real, non simulated tube amps)?We went on a small 'tour' and if my band played the garbage rock we played on a national or world tour I think the a solid state worry free dependable rig would be a benefit. The bass player was always too loud he had a monster rig. I had a dual rectifier and mesa cab. The other 2 guttar players had a marshall full stack and a line 6 spider ii half stack. If we were all on Kempers our stage volume could have been kept down and the audience would have had a better time.Just because it would be digital doesn't mean your volume issues on stage are automatically over.
Especially if playing smaller venues with little, to no P.A.But we did have a PA most of the time being a original band in my area that was kind of un heard of. I also roadied and ran sound throughout my music career and have seen too many tube amps go down during a show. Those were national acts that happened too also I'm also looking at it from a stand point of if we were on the type of tour Metallica us doing not local gigs. However if they made the MXR m-80 in guitar form that and a few other pedals would be my rig. It also helps when you have a sound guy like big MICK running your sound. I mean I think it's cool Hetfield uses live cabs to get into the music I don't think this is the death of guitar tone it's just the future. I'm a purest at heart but if my band had become a national touring act with as many hits as they have I'd be using Kempers or fractals.Just curious, if you were a national touring act, why would you use Kempers or Fractals (as opposed to real, non simulated tube amps)?We went on a small 'tour' and if my band played the garbage rock we played on a national or world tour I think the a solid state worry free dependable rig would be a benefit.
The bass player was always too loud he had a monster rig. I had a dual rectifier and mesa cab. The other 2 guttar players had a marshall full stack and a line 6 spider ii half stack. If we were all on Kempers our stage volume could have been kept down and the audience would have had a better time.Just because it would be digital doesn't mean your volume issues on stage are automatically over. Especially if playing smaller venues with little, to no P.A.But we did have a PA most of the time being a original band in my area that was kind of un heard of. I also roadied and ran sound throughout my music career and have seen too many tube amps go down during a show. Those were national acts that happened too also I'm also looking at it from a stand point of if we were on the type of tour Metallica us doing not local gigs.
However if they made the MXR m-80 in guitar form that and a few other pedals would be my rig. It also helps when you have a sound guy like big MICK running your sound.That's why folks should have a backup for their tube amp. A crate power block or Magnum 44 and the appropriate floor unit and your done.
Back up and running in less than 5 minutes. I would rather have a less than ideal backup easily put in place, with my primary tone at it's best, than have a rock solid primary that never goes down but isn't the best tone.
FWIW, in 15 years of playing live I never had a tube amp go down. I had it sound off due to low voltage on the stage (rectified with a regulator) but never go down.
Fractal is basically a computer, and they never crash or bug out, do they.Tone is always subjective and put me square in the camp that will stay with a tube amp, but if people dig the digital from a tonal standpoint. I never joined a band or played live to be too practical about the sound. Business was another matter.
I did it because it felt awesome to lock in with some folks cranking up some tube goodness. If I had to do it with a sound that's not exciting me, why do it?Like I said before though, in regards to Metallica, it's more the band's sensibilities on what they want to dial in rather than the gear itself.
How many dozens upon dozens of road cases does Metallica take out on tour for staging, PA, drums (+ even more of those stupid giant floor toms on this tour), and even for wardrobe/back stage stuff? What are they really saving by leaving the tube amps at home? Those fractals are housed in sizable road cases as well. How much lighter/smaller is that compared to tube amps in a road case?
Most international touring bands using tube amps have duplicate rigs in North America and Europe to cut down on shipping already.As far as consistency they had already worked out a system for consistent live tone since the black album tour using mic'd isolation cabinets. Oh gee, I guess that was another 2 road cases to schlep around. I'd rather have an inconsistent tone that hypothetically might vary from a 6/10 to 10/10 night after night than be straddled with a half assed 5/10 (I'm being generous) bland tone like Metallica 'enjoys' nowadays.Sadly Metallica's tone has gone the way of Lars' drumming. Lazy, uninspired and a shadow of what it once was. How many dozens upon dozens of road cases does Metallica take out on tour for staging, PA, drums (+ even more of those stupid giant floor toms on this tour), and even for wardrobe/back stage stuff?
What are they really saving by leaving the tube amps at home? Those fractals are housed in sizable road cases as well. How much lighter/smaller is that compared to tube amps in a road case?
Most international touring bands using tube amps have duplicate rigs in North America and Europe to cut down on shipping already.As far as consistency they had already worked out a system for consistent live tone since the black album tour using mic'd isolation cabinets. Oh gee, I guess that was another 2 road cases to schlep around. I'd rather have an inconsistent tone that hypothetically might vary from a 6/10 to 10/10 night after night than be straddled with a half assed 5/10 (I'm being generous) bland tone like Metallica 'enjoys' nowadays.Sadly Metallica's tone has gone the way of Lars' drumming. Lazy, uninspired and a shadow of what it once was.The Truth!!!!
They’ve can borrow my rack next time they are in town. I’m sure they would find the tones more than adequate.How did you get that boogie custom eq?
Is that two 5 band eq's re-housed? If so who do I have to pay to get that done?I believe they were $3K IIRCWow 3k? I imagine that's a real custom boogie piece then, would be easier and cheaper to buy two of their pedals and just pay somebody to re-house them or am I missing something special about the rack version?It’s a custom one off piece made out of original GEQ’s and mark series circuit boards powered by a high voltage transformer.
While I like the 5 band Boogie EQ Pedal, it sounds nothing like the real thing (not even close). I added the boogie logo. It makes the modded Triaxis preamps sounds like my real 2C.
Plus one of my Triaxis’ has the TX4 board and the Recto channel is insane with the EQ. I had a chrome chassis rev f and this sounds better. Bigger, clearer and just massive with no can of bees tone.My strategy 400 is also modded with dual push pull depth pots. Sounds massive. They’ve can borrow my rack next time they are in town. I’m sure they would find the tones more than adequate.How did you get that boogie custom eq? Is that two 5 band eq's re-housed?
If so who do I have to pay to get that done?I believe they were $3K IIRCWow 3k? I imagine that's a real custom boogie piece then, would be easier and cheaper to buy two of their pedals and just pay somebody to re-house them or am I missing something special about the rack version?It’s a custom one off piece made out of original GEQ’s and mark series circuit boards powered by a high voltage transformer. While I like the 5 band Boogie EQ Pedal, it sounds nothing like the real thing (not even close). I added the boogie logo.
It makes the modded Triaxis preamps sounds like my real 2C. Plus one of my Triaxis’ has the TX4 board and the Recto channel is insane with the EQ. I had a chrome chassis rev f and this sounds better. Bigger, clearer and just massive with no can of bees tone.My strategy 400 is also modded with dual push pull depth pots. Sounds massive.And when do we get a clip?? They’ve can borrow my rack next time they are in town.
I’m sure they would find the tones more than adequate.How did you get that boogie custom eq? Is that two 5 band eq's re-housed? If so who do I have to pay to get that done?I believe they were $3K IIRCWow 3k? I imagine that's a real custom boogie piece then, would be easier and cheaper to buy two of their pedals and just pay somebody to re-house them or am I missing something special about the rack version?It’s a custom one off piece made out of original GEQ’s and mark series circuit boards powered by a high voltage transformer. While I like the 5 band Boogie EQ Pedal, it sounds nothing like the real thing (not even close). I added the boogie logo.
It makes the modded Triaxis preamps sounds like my real 2C. Plus one of my Triaxis’ has the TX4 board and the Recto channel is insane with the EQ. I had a chrome chassis rev f and this sounds better. Bigger, clearer and just massive with no can of bees tone.My strategy 400 is also modded with dual push pull depth pots. Sounds massive.I was worried you would say something to that effect.and yeah this needs clips!
This should now be the most accurate Trooper tab on the internet. I revised it using isolated tracks of each instrument, found here: So here's what I did:- Merged the vocal harmony track into the main vocal track- Lots of rhythm guitar revisions. Dave and Adrian now have the correct harmonies throughout the song.
There were a couple spots where differed slightly in rhythm, as heard in the isolated tracks. Also added all of the rhythm guitars under the solos.- Reverted the bass track to the correct version, with corrections.- Reverted the drum track to the Nov 2014 version, so it is readable.- Revised the solos.
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